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"if there is no public option and no medicare buy in, what exactly is being reformed?"

This is the direct result of somebody's attempt to "frame the message" surrounding healthcare reform. I don't think Obama's doing it, or the Democratic Party. Whose bright idea is this?

Edit: To clarify, I'm wondering where the idea came from, that any health care reform that doesn't include this specific thing is automatically a failure. I still remain unconvinced that a public option is required to make a meaningful reform to the nation's health system.


Dec. 15th, 2009 04:55 am (UTC)
I see this a lot on the progressives sites like DailyKos, MyDD and AmericaBlog. The general opinion seems to be that given the amount of political capital the Dems have spent, not to get and significant reforms is a waste. Just the phrase "health care reform" without any specifics has been such a lightning rod for Republicans that they've gained a dozen points.
Dec. 15th, 2009 02:52 pm (UTC)
Precisely. The Democrats have control of Congress and if they can't pass this, then they are lame ducks. All of them.

The reality is that the Republicans will be able to say "Look, what we feared almost came to pass! But we stopped it." And the Democrats won't even be able to say "But we accomplished X". Because they didn't. They haven't done squat since 2006. They haven't done squat since 2008.

Lame. Ducks.
Dec. 15th, 2009 03:14 pm (UTC)
Thanks; yeah, to broaden the topic I think Obama has been an almost complete failure, and the only reason I don't totally regret voting for him is that I don't think McCain has been any better.

Is there a single issue that he has been a positive force on yet? I think that health care has been a failure, to the minimal extent that he has been involved. Nothing productive has happened in terms of financial industry reform. And his record on gay rights is worst that Bush!

I feel like this has been a total bait and switch, and the cries of "it hasn't been a year, wait for him to gain political capital and then he'll be a strong leader" are nonsense. I wish I had voted for Clinton in the primary.


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