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It's a trap!

Ok, I'm starting to think that McCain did vet Palin, and did know about this "scandal" with her daughter's pregnancy... and the liberal blogosphere is stepping straight into a glue trap by engaging this story. tjic's summary of the political situation we face rings true to me, here... and it's a completely predictable reaction from everything McCain should have known, when it was time to make his choice.

Don't be creeps, folks. Remember, we're "pro-choice," not "pro-abortion". Making light of this situation puts us in that latter camp in many people's minds.

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bryant
Sep. 2nd, 2008 04:05 pm (UTC)
That summary is missing the big damaging point:

* McCain made the pick either without knowing what was going on or without thinking it through.

That's sticking, and that's gonna peel away all the independents and swing voters McCain needs.
crs
Sep. 2nd, 2008 04:08 pm (UTC)
That's only an assumption.
bryant
Sep. 2nd, 2008 04:23 pm (UTC)
Nah. Stories about the lack of vetting are flowing nicely.

"Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin’s background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice. The campaign was still calling Republican operatives as late as Sunday night asking them to go to Alaska to deal with the unexpected candidacy of Ms. Palin."

-- New York Times

"On Sunday, The Washington Post quoted McCain campaign manager Rick Davis as saying the FBI conducted a background check of Palin.

"But Monday, the FBI told the Atlantic Monthly no such check took place."

-- Anchorage Daily News

McCain's denying everything, but at this point the denials are feeding the narrative about McCain's evasiveness and defensiveness.
cityofbeige
Sep. 2nd, 2008 04:39 pm (UTC)
Oh trust me, he didn't vet her at all, and it's blatantly obvious. No one in the entire Alaskan government was ever asked a question about her, and it wasn't until last Thursday night that people from McCain's campaign actually showed up in AK.

So where did her name come from? Fringe rightwing blogs. They've been touting her name since McCain got the GOP nod because she fit the criteria of pro-life, pro-gun, young, a minority, and not associated with Bush. McCain impulsively picked her because the "base" was clamoring for her, and he figured it would also score points with the disaffected Hillary crowd. I guess he assumed the blogosphere already did the vetting/due diligence for him.
animal2nd
Sep. 2nd, 2008 05:09 pm (UTC)
I also don't believe she was McCain's first choice. I suspect that he got heavy pressure from the Party's big contributors to pick her. This choice only highlights McCain's old age, poor health and lack of judgment - I can't see him getting very many on-the-fence voters from this.

cityofbeige
Sep. 2nd, 2008 05:44 pm (UTC)
I've heard some speculation about that too, in that party big wigs didn't like the names he came up with, so this was sort of a last minute choice to make them happy. The fact that she came out of the blue the day after Obama's acceptance speech, and it's obvious that he did virtually no research on her is what makes the whole thing awkward and suspicious that he was prodded into it. It's not like he planned to pick a VP by throwing a dart at a board... after all, he was vetting Romney, Jindal, Crist and Pawlenty for a while. But the fact that Palin came out over those others by a seemingly roll of the dice is just really really odd.
bryant
Sep. 2nd, 2008 06:50 pm (UTC)
And it just keeps on coming!

"I just got off the phone with the very helpful city clerk at the Wasilla City Clerk’s office, Kristie Smithers, who is pulling some documents for me from when Gov. Sarah Palin was mayor.

"I told her I appreciated her help, since I’m sure she’s been bombarded with requests these last few weeks. The clerk’s office keeps all City Council meeting agendas, minutes, legislation, ordinances, etc. She chuckled. Then she told me that I’m the first person who has asked her office for anything."
bryant
Sep. 2nd, 2008 08:14 pm (UTC)
Annnd the L.A. Times.

"According to this Republican, who would discuss internal campaign strategizing only on condition of anonymity, the McCain team used little more than a Google Internet search as part of a rushed effort to review Palin's potential pitfalls. Just over a week ago, Palin was not on McCain's short list of potential running mates, the Republican said."

(I'm not trying to pick on you, btw; I'm just taking the opportunity to counteract a bit of GOP propaganda about how we're falling right into McCain's hands.)
crs
Sep. 2nd, 2008 08:19 pm (UTC)
oh, sure
Now they're blaming Google for being insufficiently thorough :)
bryant
Sep. 2nd, 2008 08:39 pm (UTC)
Re: oh, sure
Bastards.

Love the new browser, btw.
animal2nd
Sep. 2nd, 2008 07:23 pm (UTC)
Yeah. The Repubs are trying to put out that fire:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrhFOsVwX9jtDyUhy3zKCBVms8tgD92UM03O2

"The vetting process was completely thorough and I'm grateful for the results," McCain told reporters as he toured a Philadelphia fire house.
zkzkz
Sep. 2nd, 2008 04:19 pm (UTC)
You've been reading too much Kos
purpletentacle
Sep. 2nd, 2008 04:26 pm (UTC)
I think the only reason this is 'news' is because the media needs something to prattle on about.

Any sane Lefties have already just shrugged the whole situation off. I hope. I have at least.

It seems such a non relevant bullet point to be attacking her with. There's plenty of ammo to use elsewhere.
crs
Sep. 2nd, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
Sorry, this is mostly a response to several self-congratulatory kinds of posts I've seen around various blogs I read, including the LJ of a friend or two...

And I'm really confused about what this means for our chances come November. So I'm obsessing a little while I'm still on vacation.
purpletentacle
Sep. 2nd, 2008 06:40 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I see what you mean now. :) I've been seeing similar posts elsewhere too.

Well. I was 'hoping' that this would roll off people's backs.
bryant
Sep. 2nd, 2008 06:48 pm (UTC)
As is usual, the Republican Party has superb message discipline, whereas Democrats stress. ;)

Sometimes a horrendous mistake really is a horrendous mistake. I called Palin as a bad choice before Friday, so I don't feel like I'm just dogpiling on whoever McCain picked. Huckabee would have scared the living crap out of me.
lokiect
Sep. 2nd, 2008 04:30 pm (UTC)
1st, isn't pretty much everything a trap?

2nd, at least obama's got the right approach (from your previous post)

3rd, it is still an example of a (probably well enough off? not strapped poor) family struggling with teen pregnancy (which can be taken as evidence of all sorts of things)

4th, doesn't she have enough other things to pick on?
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harrock
Sep. 3rd, 2008 02:25 am (UTC)
Finally, something I can wholeheartedly support.

Are you on the ballot anywhere?
dcltdw
Sep. 2nd, 2008 06:04 pm (UTC)
Remember, we're "pro-choice," not "pro-abortion".

Wait, what? *harumpht* Speak for thyself, neighbor mine!

Making light of this situation --

is silly. :) Oh noes! Someone in this country has a daughter who is pregnant at age 17?!? That has NEVER happ--

oh wait. Nevermind.
tirianmal
Sep. 2nd, 2008 08:27 pm (UTC)
What's that I hear? Is that the sound of a bunch of libruls snickering at the GOP and their Faith-based initiatives and sound moral reasoning applied to our social problems? Yes, yes it is.

And I'm pro-get-the-government-out-of-problems-I-can-deal-with-on-my-own and pro-get-the-government-to-stop-legislating-morality and pro-get-the-government-out-of-my-body-bedroom-and-home.

Beyond that, I'm actually very pro-government. :)
willtruncheon
Sep. 3rd, 2008 01:40 am (UTC)
Aren't most conservatives actually in favor of abortion, applied retroactively and in prison?
melted_snowball
Sep. 2nd, 2008 06:50 pm (UTC)
I don't think Bristol Palin should be coerced, in any way whatsoever, to have an abortion. I believe women own their fertility.

I do think, and I think quite emphatically, that her mother's attitudes toward abstinence education are contributory to teen pregnancy in the US.

I have no opinion whatsoever as to whether her daughter's pregnancy is connected to abstinence education.

And I think Sarah Palin is unqualified to be President, in much the same way that I thought Harriet Miers was unqualified to be a Supreme Court justice. I was angry then at the sexist treatment that Miers received (largely from conservatives), and I am not happy with the sexist treatment that Palin seems to be getting across the board. None of that changes my belief that she should not be President.
vfish
Sep. 3rd, 2008 12:35 am (UTC)
Framing: We're "pro-choice". They're "forced-birthers".
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